Thursday, November 11, 2010

More on retail therapy.


  • Top: Maurices
  • Blazer: Maurices
  • Skirt: Maurices
  • Tights: Lane Bryant
  • Pumps: Payless

I surprised myself by how much I really liked this outfit. I know this has turned out to be a neutral heavy week here, but its fun to mix things up, and I have been inspired by similar combos on several other bloggers lately. I have trouble styling this blazer though. I like the cut on it a lot, but unlike my other blazer it has a row of hook and eye closures instead of buttons to close it. I should have made a picture with it closed for this post. I know I could always just leave it "unbuttoned" like here, but I always enjoy hearing other people's ideas.

Pamela of the awesome blog Call Me Ishmael asked a question in a comment: #1: Ummm ... do you wear a padded bra? If not, what do you do? #2: Do you try out women's clothes when you go out shopping? Have you had to answer (or ignore, lol) questioning looks or straight up questions? First, I want to say that I love answering reader questions, and I will always try to do my best to answer them.

Part 1 - I have experimented a lot over the years, and my current approach is pretty close to what Pamela guessed. I usually buy padded push-up bras with molded cups. The cup size I buy is probably a bit generous, but thanks to a complete lack of visits to the gym and a diet that is at times questionable, I definitely have more curves in the chest than average. When wearing these bras, there is some extra empty space to fill, so I also use 2-3 "cleavage enhancer" pads I bought at Walmart to "stuff" the bra.

I have actually found that plenty of my tops enhance the appearance of my bust even without a bra, and I do have a "properly" sized bra with smaller soft cups that I sometimes wear that also helps with that "illusion" as well (I haven't worn that one in any outfits on this blog though). Its interesting: normally I am a bit self conscious about my chest when dressed in a masculine fashion, but in feminine clothes I hardly think about it. I have sometimes considered not wearing a bra, and for this blog I have an ongoing a debate in my head about whether or not to "enhance" my bust. Ultimately, I like the look though, and it does help my tops fit better. I have trouble fitting tops because I have a large-but-flat chest, and tops in my size tend to be cut for a more generous bust, so the stuffed bra helps account for that too.

I has occurred to me that the human chest, male and female, comes in all shapes and sizes, and that's pretty great actually. I don't think there is anything wrong with anyone, male or female, being flat chested, or having a large bust, or anything in between. Everything I have bought to enhance my appearance is an item marketed in common stores to help people change their appearance in a similar way. There is nothing inherently gendered or wrong with wanting to play with the curves and lines in a person's figure. And while I think some people would encourage doing this to hide physical features they don't like or enhancing physical features that they approve of, I don't think it has to be that way. I want people to be happy with their bodies, but I don't think being happy with your body has to exclude you from using clothes to change aspects of your appearance.

Part 2 - I have talked about some of this before in Retail therapy, and I even had some notes for a follow-up entry, so I get to answer Pamela's question and write that follow-up post! I always want to try on clothes before buying them, but its hit or miss on whether I will get to. It depends on how adventurous I'm feeling, how my wife is feeling, whether the dressing rooms are unattended, the specific store, and quite possibly the phase of the moon (okay, not really...). In stores like Target or Old Navy that stock men's clothes, most of the time I just try to discreetly fold up the clothes with something less obvious like a sweater or a button-down on the outside and use the men's dressing rooms, although I did have an awkward experience at Target recently. The dressing room was attended and the associate was a little shocked and said, "Oh, for a minute I thought those were women's clothes" but she let me go on in. In general though, I've found the store staff to usually be more understanding, and I even got to go back in the stock room at a Nine West once (it was mostly because the store only had 6 shoes in stock in my size, and it was just simpler for her to show me what they had rather than let me wander around the store asking her if they had a shoe in my size only to discover, repeatedly, that the answer was "no"). I asked that particular sales associate if this had happened before and her answer was "all the time".

At stores like Maurices or Torrid that stock only women's clothes, my wife has gotten reasonably good at trying things on and making a guess about whether or not it will fit. Recently, however, I noticed that some stores have allowed male companions to share the changing room: I presume its about minimizing dressing room traffic, but it might just be a sense of futility about keeping them out. Since then, we've asked a couple of times at stores if it was okay for me to go back, and the associate always said yes, and we were both escorted to the dressing room. The most common questions we get are from associates during checkout expressing surprise about the sizing. I suppose some associates get pretty good at sizing people visually and correctly guess that my wife is not that size, but they don't question it too much, and we've never told them the truth about who the garment was for. I've also had associates discuss how wonderful it is that I love to shop with my wife while I'm waiting outside the dressing rooms. Oh, if only they knew! :) For what its worth, I really appreciate my wife's help in this, and it makes shopping a lot easier for me.

I also need to say I do a lot of online shopping too. And its not entirely about trying stuff on. Sometimes its hard to find my size in stores. For instance, Payless almost never stocks my size, so I'll often visit the store just to see what a shoe looks like, and then go home and order it. Sometimes they have my size, but usually not. At this point, I'm pretty familiar with store return policies, and we do try to take advantage of stores that take returns from online sales and free shipping to store locations as well. Also, there are several brands and stores that I can trust to be pretty consistent with the sizing, and I can usually get away without trying their stuff on.

I usually feel extremely self conscious while shopping for myself in the women's department, and I tend to think everyone is staring at me. I really don't like lying, and if I were shopping on my own it would be really easy to say I was shopping for my wife, it definitely feels more unusual to say that about shoes and clothes rather than jewelry and other more traditional gifts. It is interesting though, sometimes I do shop for my wife and I have shopped for other women in my life before, and I definitely experience a lot less apprehension. In discussing this with a friend, she told me a story about shopping in the men's department for clothes for herself once. She actually mentioned experiencing feelings that sounded similar to my own, although her reasons were more about practicality and fit rather than style. My wife also has several items of menswear that she has bought for practical reasons and without a second thought. On the other hand, I know that plenty of women do shop for clothes for the men in their lives, and shop for themselves in the men's department as well, and it does seem more socially acceptable. I always find asymmetries like this to be really interesting to think about. I've said it before, but I'm personally a fan of moving past gender labels and clothing.

I love answering questions, but I have some questions for anyone reading this today who feels like answering. (If you don't want to, that's great too!) I'm curious if anyone has encountered crossdressers while shopping? Also, for anyone who has worked in retail, I'm curious if you've ever had a crossdresser ask about dressing rooms or if stores that only stock women's clothing have policies about crossdressers? Also, if you have shopped for men in your life and shopped for yourself in the men's department, do you experience any differences in how you feel while doing so?

Again, I always love answering questions, and questions are always welcome! I will try to do the best I can to answer any question if I can. Oh and of course today's pictures were taken by my fantastic wife.

15 comments:

  1. Hey Matt! I've definitely seen men shopping in women's departments/stores, but I always just figure they're looking for a gift for a girlfriend/wife/daughter - I don't ever give it a second thought! As you may have read on my blog, I actually just got a seasonal job at Forever21 (and it's a location that doesn't sell men's clothing), so I'm excited to see what I come across - however, I think the location I'm working at doesn't allow men in the fitting rooms.

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  2. I guess I never really thought about how you acquired your clothes before, but I'm glad to hear most salespeople are helpful to you. I'm with you about moving away from gender labels on clothing. I also wish woman's sizing was based off more mathematical numbers like man's sizing is so you'd be able to get a more consistent fit across brands and avoid all the "vanity sizing."

    I also adore your shoes!

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  3. wow your wife really is supportive to try things on for you! I think I would get bored trying on clothes for someone else, so she's really a trooper!

    I like the outfit above! It's so professional, I feel like you could be a lawyer or high-powered business woman in that outfit!

    Lorispeak

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  4. Hi Matt!

    I live in New York City so I've def seen some men in women's clothing, and shopping in women's section. I don't think I've ever noticed a man buying a skirt or a dress for themselves, but I've def seen men purchasing skinny jeans, scarves and tee shirts from the women's side. On a professional note, I do work in retail but not on the store floor. I work in the corporate buying office of a large department store, so I can't answer your questions specifically, but my team does buy the women's sunglass department and I know that we do carry a lot of unisex styles there. American Apparel is also known for their unisex offerings.

    I'm so glad I was able to find you though your comment!

    xoxo, Ashley

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  5. It's great to hear that most salespeople are helpful, and that your wife is so supportive! It's so great to feel supported in your fashion choices, no matter how you dress. It always makes me feel better when my family and boyfriend support me no matter what trends I'm trying out that week!
    Being someone who is a fan of the whole "menswear" trend, I agree that gender labels can and should be crossed, and there's a lot of value in trying on clothes in different sections of the store.
    Anyway, I love this outfit! It's so wonderful and put together, and those shoes are great! And thanks so much for your lovely comments, they make me smile! :)

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  6. LOVE the outfit! I love how the top and jacket play off each other. Really cute!

    Great post. I frequently shop for my husband by myself, and never thought anything of it. I've also bought things from the boys department. I had a plain white buttondown that was from the boys 'section' that fit me better than nearly any other one I've found. It's since worn out, I loved it that much.

    I never experienced cross dressers as a retail worker but my time in it was short. I have known cross dressers, drag queens, and transgendered people. I find myself constantly intrigued about gender stereotypes and how the world is changing in terms of gender.

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  7. It's funny how the outfits you don't expect to love turn into your favorites, you know? I love the detail on that jacket! It's so cute!

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  8. What a great cardigan you're wearing.

    Thanks so much for sharing your retail experiences when searching for women's clothes. This is probably obvious, but it seems as though our society is more accepting when women cross boundaries in their clothing choices than when men do the same. I could wear my BF's clothing without anyone giving it a second thought (in fact, people would probably assume I was just experimenting with a more "rustic" or "relaxed" look, and might not consider it cross-dressing). Before reading your blog, I hadn't even given a thought to the fact that the reverse isn't always true. Thanks so much for opening my eyes!

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  9. First of all, I want to thank you for leaving a comment at 20 York, I was really surprised and pleased when I saw that. Of course, I would love for you to comment/say hello all the time!

    I'm glad these questions are asked and you've addressed them thoughtfully! can't wait for the next post Matt!

    xox,

    20 YORK STREET

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  10. Matt!! Thanks a lot for answering my questions. You are too kind! As I was reading your post (before you even got to the questions), I thought to myself, "Hey ... I shop in the men's section ALL the time!" It's always either for my fiance or myself, and I've never thought anything of it. I'm not sure why the vice versa has never occurred to me. Hmm, I feel kinda dumb now.

    You're the first crossdresser I've ever "met." I'm so glad we did; your blog is wonderful! Hello wifey!!

    Call Me Ishmael

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  11. First off, I love this outfit! Very professional looking but also chic and stylish, so kudos to you! ;) That's awesome that your wife helps you out by trying on clothes, since I imagine that could be an issue......well maybe not in my town but in other places. I'm so glad that you're open to answering questions, and I always love reading your answers! :)

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  12. Hi there! Thanks for all your sweet comments on each and every post :)

    I love your professional vibe today!

    To answer your question, quite honestly I don't really notice if men shop where I shop. I tend to avoid large department stores, as all the inventory stresses me out, and stick to small ones like Gap, J. Crew and Anthopologie. I wouldn't care if I did, though :)

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  13. What a fantastic post! I always love hearing what you have to say, Matt, and this post was no exception. Plus, that outfit is absolutely fantastic-- that skirt is so flattering!

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  14. Hi Matt! I don't have much expertise in the area of cross-dressing, but I always notice that they have tons of large sized shoes at Nordstrom Rack. I don't know if they have one in your area, but it would be a total treasure trove. I always wondered who was buying up the size 13 cherry red patent peep toe pumps!

    Also, while you're taking questions - I have to ask you, do you cross dress all the time? Do you wear women's clothes at the office or in the store or do you generally just wear them around the house. I'm thinking that if you wore you're best clothes out to the stores, no one would think twice about you trying on ladies clothes. Hide in plain sight!

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  15. Hi Matt! This is my first time on your blog and I have to say that I find you fascinating. I grew up in a very conservative household and as I have graduated from high school and now live on my own far, far away from my parents, I find myself more interested in different lifestyles. First of all, looking through your posts, you have a great sense of style, but you also know how to style your body type. This outfit is particularly flattering on you.

    I work in retail at Target. I'm in the clothes section a lot and I've never noticed a cross-dresser. If I see men shopping there, I just assume it's for their wives or daughters. I think if you were to walk into the Target dressing room, I would be quite curious to see you carrying women's clothing, but I probably wouldn't think twice about it, especially if you had some men's clothing to try on too. If only you could style MY body type! Ha! Thanks for the great read!

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