



Masculine Outfit
- Shirt: JC Penney
- Tie: JC Penney
- Brown Belt: JC Penney
- Pants: JC Penney
- Black Oxfords: ? ancient
- Shirt: Old Navy (previously here)
- Scarf: Maurices
- Black Belt: Torrid (previously here)
- Pants: Maurices
- Brown Oxfords: Payless
Since today's post is going to be all about answering Meli's question (and then some...) from last Friday, I thought I would do more with the idea of constrasting "masculine" and "feminine" clothing. I have worn the "same" outfit styled in both a "feminine" and "masculine" version.
So last Friday, Meli22, who has the most excellent blog The Daily Insanity of a Fashion Addict asked: I've been meaning to ask- are you as sharp looking when dressed to 'fit in' as a guy? Or is this the only time where you focus your creative energy on style? It would be cool to see a 'man' style file once in a while, if you expressed yourself in the fun way like you do when you dress feminine! :) Sadly, the short answer is "not usually". But I wanted to write a post about this because I thought it might be interesting to talk about why, how I am changing that, and some of my experiences with "men's fashion" in general. In a recent email exchange talking with a long time friend I have not seen in years, I explained to him my interest in women's clothing and sent him a link to this blog, he responded with "I took a look at the style blog and have to say you have fantastic female fashion sense. Those outfits look great. How come you always dress like such a slob when wearing men's clothing?" In all fairness, we have rarely seen each other since college, and I will have everyone know I dress at least a cut above slob when wearing "menswear". I think. :)
I have tried to experiment with men's fashion over the years. Many of my experiments were timid though, and ended up relegated to a disused and dusty corner of my closet through my own fears. I want to change that, and I am changing that. So in the future, things like hats, pocket squares, vests, cardigans, ties, bow ties, v-neck shirts and sweaters, french cuff shirts, and nice leather oxfords are all actual menswear pieces I need more of, and need in every color. Thankfully, my blog is helping me work through some of these things, and I am finding myself more free to experiment, even if its only a polo shirt in every color.
So I think the root of my trouble with men's fashion is that I have internalized a collection of social norms and messages about masculinity that, on a good day, leave me with a set of bizarre hangups, and on a bad day with very toxic ideas about what is and is not masculine. Its easy enough to say that I don't actually believe these notions and should ignore the boxes of behavioral norms I have allowed other people to constrain me with, but I'm not sure its ever that simple. For instance, one way adventurous clothing choices can be policed is with the slur "that looks gay". Whether you feel its right or wrong, homosexuality is about a sexual interest in the same sex, and I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with clothing choices. But that doesn't stop some people from informing someone that a particular clothing choice is "gay". The real meaning of the slur is "You're less of a man for wearing that." Which begs the question what is a "real man" and that is just as problematic and fraught with toxic ideas as defining a "real woman" or a "real person".
I have also been obsessed with labels. Labels on clothing in particular. While some people get obsessed with labels by a certain designer or a certain size label (I saw a link on A Pretty Penny about vanity sizing, and I suppose in a perverse sense of "equality" men's clothing is now subject to vanity sizing as well), I have been obsessed with "gender" labels on clothing. I think one of the many reasons for my interest in women's fashion is a feeling of freedom from my hangups about men's fashion.
In fact, one of the harder questions I've had to ask myself about clothing preferences is to ask "If this was the exact same article of clothing, but labelled for a man, would you be so interested in wearing it?" I think this question is probably impossible to answer, but at one time the answer for me would have probably been "No". At this point in my life I have a lot more peace with it, and the answer is much closer to my own ideal of "Yes, the label doesn't matter as much." (For some fun with gender labels and clothing, consider these two classic Seinfeld episodes: The Puffy Shirt and The Glasses, and if that's not enough, check out these men's shoes at Brooks Brothers.)
This has been alternatingly fun and difficult to write. I want to explain my personal experiences because I think it might be helpful, but whole books have been written on policing language and gender norms, and its not a simple topic. Last Friday's "Friend Friday" question coincided with many people referring to the post on Already Pretty: Shouldn't wear that. And I recently saw this fairly "normative" article on men's fashion: What Every Man Needs in His Wardrobe - Updated for the Next Decade which has its ups and downs, but points out that one distinction is that men's fashion is about often about quality and tailoring. Of course, it doesn't have to be. Much like Sal, I am not a fan of prescribed and proscribed "fashion" behaviors, so consider such "Fashion Rules for men" as this obscure absurdity: black suits for men are proper only for servants and the dead, also mentioned at Cubicle Chic in Style Sins: The Black Suit, from a section by The Gentleman, that has some posts with a more positive approach as well. On a more positive note, Academichic had a recent post on men's fashion as well: Academichic... Boy Style and I always enjoy their discussion of gender, feminism, and fashion, and this post was no different: I love color so much, but yet, I would be extremely timid about wearing such bold awesome red pants in a "masculine" presentation. For me, the goal is to reach a place where I would. And when I get there, I don't want to stop wearing my high heels, blouses and wide belts. I just want the label to stop mattering at all.
Thank you for reading, I know this one was a little long. I hope everyone has a great day. And I have to thank my beautiful wife for taking the pictures and helping patiently in numerous ways with this post.
Never, in my wildest dreams did I expect such a well-thought out response (or pictures, yay!)!
ReplyDeleteIt's such a slippery slope- men's fashion can be fun, creative, full of color- but other than the random 'feminine' touch, the whole feel is always 'masculine'. Also, so few men dress in a 'fashionable' way that it probably would draw attention and comments that you may not want.
I agree that there is a difference between 'masculine' and 'feminine', and perhaps a third facet that is kind of 'unisex'. If you WANT to dress very feminine all the time- you are always going to hit social constrictions. Same thing for dressing very 'masculine' as a woman! I think you could incorporate more fun, color, and style into your masuline wardrobe... but it will never be exactly what you want, because you enjoy feminine dressing so much! The only real benefit in changing up how you dress when being 'normal' is perhaps being a bit more comfortable, feeling more like 'Matt'. But you are SO great with dressing in a feminine way! I really enjoy your posts!
And don't apologize for long posts or comments ;) I won't if you won't lol!!
Thank you so much!! And that's a deal about long posts and comments. Sometimes its hard to say how I want to dress all the time, and certainly one aspect of writing this blog is that it helps me understand more as well. I think I'll always want to dress in a more feminine way at least part of the time though, but I am enjoying being more stylish in other ways as well. Unfortunately, there are lots of social issues that come into play with nearly all of those options, unless maybe if you live in one of the larger open minded cities. :)
ReplyDeleteMatt, this is such a fantastic post! I loved hearing your perspective and thoughts on gendered dressing, and I loved seeing both sides of your closet. This was absolutely wonderful to read, and I'd love to hear more about this from you sometime in the future if you ever feel so inclined :)
ReplyDeleteThank you!!! I'm totally up for writing more posts like this, but this one was also a lot of work, so I might need a few days to recover!! ;)
ReplyDeleteInteresting post. I'll be watching to see how you infuse your more creative fashion side onto your "masculine" outfits in the future :)
ReplyDeleteThanks!!! I definitely plan on mixing it up more, but I'm also in the middle of rebuilding my actual masculine wardrobe, and I really do enjoy putting together more traditional "feminine" looks. I guess what I'm saying is that future posts will be a little bit of everything as long as I think I can make it interesting! :)
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with you, men who like fashion are either grouped into the metro or gray categories, both of whom are kind of frowned upon for caring about what they look like and wear.
ReplyDeleteI mentioned this before but my BF has basically worn the same kind of outfit since junior high - khakis and a polo/button down. There are a million of other manly options out there for him, but it just seems to be the "thing" to dress within the box.
It's definitely frustrating, because its exactly why "men's fashion" has trouble advancing. People call it boring, but then any attempt to buck the trend gets the wearer labeled with fairly nasty slurs. One of the earlier conversations with my wife about my own clothing interests involved a suggestion to try more of what would be labeled "metrosexual". At the time I was unwilling to consider that, so ironically, I think I totally understand where your BF is coming from, and honestly, have had a male wardrobe pretty similar to his for a long portion of my life. Thanks so much for your comment!! :)
ReplyDeleteSUCH an awesome post. I'm really intrigued by the ideas you bring up and makes way for great discussion. I'll be forwarding this particular post to a few of my friends.
ReplyDeleteI love seeing your contrasted photos. I hope you do some more posts with your men's related fashion too.
Thank you!!! I'm glad you think its good enough to share! I would enjoy hearing how your friends react if you don't mind sharing! I will definitely try to do some more menswear posts in the future as the ideas and pictures work out! ;)
ReplyDeleteVery interesting to know. I want that black belt. Argh, everywhere I go..no belts.
ReplyDeleteThanks!! Best of luck finding a belt! :)
ReplyDeletehehe, it was such a surprise to see you in men's clothing! But I really enjoyed your post. It's tough because as you say, there is a lot of backlash toward people who behave in non-normative ways. It bucks people's expectations of how the world works or should work (i.e., it conflicts with their world views). And people then try to make things right by derogating those who counter their beliefs. And it's unfortunate, but there is a lot of research showing that manhood is generally more precarious than womanhood (i.e., people have to earn their manhood. And I would suspect this keeps a lot of men from experimenting in a stereotypically female domain (i.e. fashion). I did some research on counterstereotypic gender behavior (but more centered on how it affects the self-concept) so I read a bunch of research in this area. Anyway, I'm happy you are out there getting this discussion started and holding such an open forum. I find it super admirable!
ReplyDeleteThanks!!! I would definitely be interested in hearing some more about your research actually! I do enjoy having the discussion, and as usual, I'm positively amazed at everyone's responses! :)
ReplyDeleteThis really was an extraordinary post to read; thank you so much for sharing!
ReplyDelete"For instance, one way adventurous clothing choices can be policed is with the slur "that looks gay"."
I feel as though there is such a thin line. We all want to take risks, but the harmful consequences of being labeled can keep us from pursuing our goals. It's inspiring to see you as you present yourself to the world, and then see the same pants in an entirely different context. Your questions about clothing labels of masculine and feminine are intriguing, to say the least!
These side-by-side shots are great, and I think you look snazzy and put together in both outfits. I especially like the belt you are wearing in the "feminine outfit," and the muted color palette on the scarf is gorgeous. I also noticed that you are standing in ways that are generally considered either "masculine" or "feminine."
ReplyDeleteMy BF developed an interest in men's sportswear, and has sometimes been referred to as a "sharp" dresser when he's especially creative with his style. But I wonder, if he had picked a style/pieces other than sportswear, whether his look would still be referred to as "sharp."
genevieve, sandbox romance - Thank you!!! Actually, it was a different pair of pants too, but the differences in "tailoring" are interesting too: the women's pants are lower rise and have more "curve" in addition to the bootcut flare at the bottom. The social consequences to risk taking are frustrating at times, but there are ways to mitigate the risk or find other ways act on your interests (e.g. start a style blog ;) ). Ultimately though, the world changes because individuals change, and that's one of my goals here: to be the change I want to see. :)
ReplyDeleteJamie - Thank you so much!!! I definitely enjoyed intentionally playing with the poses, so I'm glad you noticed! Yeah, its definitely interesting to think about how our clothes affect others perceptions and actions, including social status and how much respect we deserve. :)
Matt first of all i have send u an email i hope you'll receive it anytime from now
ReplyDeleteMatt i know i am lousy when it comes to word , please excuse my poor english as well but i truly
i respect your courage and passion for what you are doing in this blog right now
in your header it says 'I am a happily married 30 something male crossdresser(with some accepting friends and a loving wife)'
well count me in as your friend who not only accepts you for who you are ! also a friend who adores , respect and look up to you as an inspiration.
with love
Jasmine
Thank you so much!!! I appreciate your all of your comments, your blog, and especially your friendship! I also received your email and I have sent you a reply! Everything is okay, so no worries! Thanks again! :)
ReplyDeleteThis was a great post. (Sorry I'm late to the party and still not really around much right now.)
ReplyDeleteI really enjoy your writing, how thought-provoking your posts are and you really do have fantastic fashion sense. I don't think you dress like a slob when dress "as a man" at all.
My thoughts are kind of scattered and all over the place right now but I wanted to tell you this was a good one. Hope you're having a good week.
Thank you so much!!! I understand, and I hope things get better soon! And we'll be here when you're back! :)
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